Now maybe this vid is a load of rubbish for publicity, but if it isn't, then it shows the Spiritual Science Research Foundation is dangerous: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8E1a63NB2c
Why?
1. It shows people messing about with spirits. Negative spirits. Not exactly the most smart or most sane idea.
2. Most importantly: I don't believe the Christian Bible is the absolute word of God. However, I do believe it was inspired by God and all sorts of nonsense got added later. So in short, I believe some of it is true, and you can tell by either checking it against other sources [even within the bible you can check, for example, Matthew's version of an event with Luke's version and see if they are word-for-word (which means one likely copied the other), totally different (which means one is likely not telling the truth), or slightly different but with the same general gist (as would be the case if two witnesses were remembering an actual event)], or by seeing whether the words come true for certain.
'By their fruits ye shall know them' and 'For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.' Matthew 7:16 and Matthew 24:24.
Why would a person of God be messing with negative spirits? Why are these people calling themselves 'His Holiness'? And it fits the 'shall shew great signs and wonders' bit perfectly ('shew' is an old word with the same meaning as the word 'show').
Personally I think it's fake as the woman in the end of the video looks exhausted and a spirit would almost certainly not be - so if a spirit is controlling the woman, why would the woman be exhausted? But if it is fake, the organisation isn't exactly scrupulous is it?
Either way, I wouldn't go near it with a barge pole.
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I absolutely agree. Myself, I have had spiritual encounters of all sorts, and can very confidently say that this Spiritual Science Foundation is either a seriously misguided bunch, or are intentionally lying to readers. ALLOT of what is on their site about ghosts, and angels is FALSE!! NOT TRUE AT ALL! They have no clue what they are talking about. If indeed their cause is noble, then they've been tricked by the demnons they keep messing with, or just don't know how to go about spirutal research.
Friend i thing i should disagree to your openion. I have been trying to find the fact about this website for a while and recently it has been proved that there is something beyond the understanding of 5 sense's that is what this website is trying to deliver. I think we should not judge a food before we taste it. They are trying to deliver exactly whats written in the ancient million year old texts known as veda's which is nothing but sure science. God bless. Amen
Yes dude. You are right. There needs to have a minimum common sense to understand spirituality. Ha ha ha
I think you are out of mind.....
Sorry to say this bro...Well you have no idea how it comes when an exorcism takes place. I have had an experience regarding this with my own sister when she was acting quite a different person. Ordinary humans like us wont understand this. Dont mind my words...Its Just what i think
Come and see - Lord Buddha
You know nothing my dear friend.
- Rohan
SSRF did not preach and persuade any1 that is sad or depresed to follow them or to convert to a religion, they only share and research scientificly of the spiritual realm where we all wil go to one day,
they also did not alter any holy book
SSRF did not hide any information and copy, rewrite, do alteration, add in of torn of scripture pages to what they tink might have written, and creat a holy book that should people know and should nt knw,
The messenger did not claim that he is god, he said i am the son of god, he also said you are children of god, he did address people as brother n sisters, he said that he wil show the way to the father, the father and he is one because he spoke the truth wic he got from the father in heaven, the thought us our father prayer, god is our father also, not our step father, follow him to be one with the father
If you track back genesis, the purana, torah, quran, u wud find its almost the same, the things are writen down but just bit diffrent buv the facts are the same, all religion drinking thesame water but from difrnt containers dats all
I think that they have been mislead... And it makes me truly sad. I believe that they are trying to discover more about their enemies (in this case, evil spirits) and how to fight. Sadly, they may have been corrupted in this cause.
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I think they dont follow Ghosts or Demons they just want to share some Information how thisdemons works and with wich kind of energies ! Forsome people its impotant to unterstand this point cause the individuall Instructions of the Lord Krishna-Kristos-Christus in different times for different peoples are many to help many souls in differnt steps to Him
Please try to understand this point (somthing on this website of their is also to strainge for me but we have to find the Nectar the essentiell Thing in all kind of people who try to practice Goodconcessness ) The Essent is praying or chanting the Holy Name and the Glory off God and do it from the Heart ! The same Jesus give different expirience to find a place in the heart off souls and to come finally just to one point........Give Thanks and Praise ! AlleluJah
Divine Love is the Essentz of All and His Love is for everybody who can realize this point deep Inside and so i am not a christian,hindu,muslim,buddhist or what ever
I am just Fathers Darling and nothing more
RESIST NOT EVIL
WHAT YOU DEFEND AGAINST YOU MAKE REAL
Its a fake
Everything its in the right place
gift and punish, only god knows why we deserve this.
If you play with fire, the fire will burn in you.
Its not a joke angels and demons exist, but its their job to help us or destroy us, our ony job its to live and to think right.
God can help you
Have a great day
I feel SSRF is misguided people. I would advice none to go to them for any spiritual experience. All you need to do is read your Holy Books, pray your prayers. All you need you will get from God. These guys misguide. They mess with evil spirits and induce them on others which no holy group will do. In fact, holy ppl free you from negatives. What they speak about ghosts, hauntings etc are not new, they are all old facts. Some of them are absolute wrong also for eg., they say haunted place temp changes 70% of time to hot. Its just the opposite. Places of evil existence and presence, there temp dip and feel cold. They show videos of bugs, flies falling unconscious, I found it funny...may be they fed they bug with whiskey!!!! My advice, don't go them, leave them alone and pray for them.
The writer has drawn the conclusion by reading only a mere article that this SSRF is dangerous. You must have seen it thoroughly that they are talking not about any religion or any sect but about the 6 universal principles. They are warning people to refrain themselves to any sectarian myopic standpoint. You can see these people have no interests to covert or covert! It is like,being a patient,raising finger on the doctors report and diagnosis!!
Guys i dont know at first why this discussion has been put up here. You beleive or not is what is upto you. I have been following this wesite ssrf.org for past one year even though i am not in contact with them personally. I am a professional Reiki healer and when it comes to Negative energies and entities, oh yess...I am really a fan of them bcoz i have never read that much of information which i have been searching from east to west and from south to north through all epic's.
You dont like it because you have (0) knowledge about spirit science. Eat ...Sleep....Eat.... Sleep...Make money....Dieeeee. This is what i believe about the people who critisizes spirituality. Lol...
My whole hearted support to SSRF...Yayyyy!!!
I think there is some interesting information on the ssrf site and even enough they don't say they are a religion, there is a cultish aspect to their teaching. Are all their spiritual principles/rituals required to ward off negative energies when as a bible based christian you should know that christ is enough. None of their practices seem to be biblical. They appear to have this gift of seeing into the spiritual dimension but it isn't biblical, so is this group of God or Satan? The head of the group Dr Athavale is a Hindu, they believe he knows all things but only God knows all things. Are they worshipping him or God? They also believe the divine kingdom is coming in 2025 with no reference to Jesus! Any christian will know that it is Jesus' kingdom and not even Jesus knows the time, only God. So why do they think they know the time when not even Jesus knows! They don't believe that Salvation is attained through Jesus but are travelling the world spreading their 'gospel' instead of the word given to us in the bible. Revelation talks of groups leading people astray in the last days and I believe this is one of those groups. The only thing any believer of Christ should be doing is fishing for souls to tell people about Christ and Salvation to save their souls before Christ's return.. Anything else is not biblical. So I don't know if they are a cult or what they think they are, but we have been given all we need in the bible.
There may well be a sixth spiritual dimension and there may well be a battle between good (angels) and evil (demons) in that dimension, but do we need to obsess over it when we have God. They believe that we need their spiritual practices to ward off demons but nowhere in the bible does it say to chant, use incense sticks and use practices that they teach on their site to protect against evil spirits. God has given us Jesus and the Holy Spirit to access through prayer for protection. In these days, protecting your soul through Christ is all you need and we don't need to be lead astray by false doctrines. Do yourself and your soul a favor and stick to what we were given by God in the Bible, you don't need anything else.
I just wish to say it I have read the ssrf sight and firstly, it is not really correct to compare it only to the bible, however, more so as to compare it with all religion. It is really your choice what you choose to believe in but ssrf has always been talking about peace is best and being one's best self, nothing Satan in that regard, while unless you say insulting/disregarding/killing ppl is proclaim by God than yea. To this video I must say that what they are doing is removing the demons, not giving the demon some powers. This is practice in many religion so I see no reason to say this is devilish in any way. All in all I see them as good ppl who are. They are giving fate to ppl to have a chance to live with God and I can Ensure, the divine kingdom is Jesus Homecoming, not true the human form but through his healing. Choose what you choose to believe, but nothing they say is harmful to human life
You obviously don't know what your talking about and should keep your Christian veiws to yourself I've studied Many religions for 16 years and can tell you they are 100% right.
You obviously don't know what your talking about and should keep your Christian veiws to yourself I've studied Many religions for 16 years and can tell you they are 100% right.
Problem with un-evolved people and general public is that they Judge or opine on spiritual issues at intellectual level without having any direct spiritual experience. Out of my spiritual experience what is written in SSRF website is mostly true. It is mostly perceived through Sixth sense.
I have understood there text. whilst they say they are not sectarian, they are infact quite so. They ask you to chant the names of saints whilst God has specifically asked us to worship only upon him. If you don't know God's true name then call upon your heavenly father to tell you. if you are sincere in your heart, through his holy spirit he will lead you into all truths. It is only when the spirit of God is strong in you,can one discern the Devine message in all holy texts, The foundation has some truths but I'm afraid it is only to lead you into a life of lies.
I am also an healer so like you I am able to discern energies and have had to deal with negative spirits as well as demons. There is a lot to be said about these things but the whole truth does not reside with the foundation. They are leading people with the truth into a life of lies.
I am also a Christian. To help others in this life come into the truth. Which is to know God by the holy spirit; one must first understand that the spirit world is to be understood and as a child of God you must be attain through devotion some of God's power so that you may also be able to see into the spirit realms and therefore being able to speak with salt to those who desperately need to live a life with our Father through the love and life of our Lord Jesus Christ. These people speak the truth only to lead people into a life of lies. Christians must know the truth in order to allow God to lead his people home.
They ask you to chant the names of saints. This is wrong. Chant only the true supreme God. Jesus
I agree. I have spiritual experiences and you are right.
Hey all of you, there's only 5 saints in the world, that's intresting. Haha
For the first i`am sorry for my bad English but this is just my second language. I have the feeling the spiritual research foundation is only interested about making money. If the aim would be to help people, they would forexample incloude some research about near death experience too. Near death experience are the best existing example not to believe in stuff like 7 regions of hell, which is hardest bullshit i ever heard in my opinion. Next thing is that every community which is critical against them gets some comments from a writers which are always loving this page over all - guy wheres your mind, this is hardest bullshit - im sure these writters are payed by them or they just spend a long time watching this page. If god would want to spread the knowlede they have, then im sure hey would find another way than only using this fucking page.
"Much can be said on either said" - this is a wise old expression. SSRF is doing some research - a kind not taken up by few others in the spiritual field. As far as I know they are not charging or asking for money for their predictions or services. So you can't say they are cheating. They are honest, even if it is possible they are wrong. So I would say 'Just watch' - don't either accept or reject outright. If something appeals to yoy get benefited.
The best test for their research - we can see shortly. For, they have predicted 3rd world war beginning 2016. Most of us will be alive to see how it is going to turn out.
--- Janakiram, Hyderabad, India
They pose as an organization teaching hindu dharma, but they were founded and are based in Australia. They are founded by western elites. Their guru Dr. Athavale was an atheist, working as a hynotherapist in the UK.
"Sanatan sanstha" is a part of the SSRF. It's a right wing ultra-nationalist group who is involved in many violent criminal activities.
They want to radicalize hinduism, just as they did with evangelical christianity, creating blind, intolerant followers. Hinduism used to be an extraordinarily tolerant and peaceful religion. The elites don't want that, it's against their satanic aims of world domination.
SSRF is advocating their followers to chant the name of god full time, if they have a serious illness. It's pure religious extremism. No reasonable guru would advocate such an excess. On the other hand the SSRF belittles or discourages people from useful activities like asanas, meditation and pranayama.
What should make everyone skeptical is that this organization has predicted the third world war with massive global population reduction. The sinners are supposed to perish, while the righteous are said to survive. It's just evangelical doomsday prophecies under a hindu cloak.
Some of the elites certainly want population reduction through war, in order to make the world easier to control. So they 're spreading fear, religious extremism and beliefs in a final judgement.
Interesting thoughts . Read your above article 3 times . Came to conclusion that you have not actually witness posseed person healing also with the greatest respect - I have been dealing with neg/pos spirtual matters for last 30 years and regarding HoLINESS . It is people who put them on that pedstal . If you or anybody wishes to discuss this matter please contact me ( Guru , G , Singh ) on 07990770619 or email me on jaikalisevadars@yahoo.com or jaikalicharity@gmail.com
Thanking you in advance for your thoughts .
Guru , Ji
I found the spiritual research website a few days back. My immediate impression was that the people there have a lot of spiritual wisdom and understanding, a keen sense of discerning the nature of this generation, its addictions and such, but ultimately they fly off into regions incognito...
What I mean is, you notice their conception of the afterlife seems to inspire severe neurosis. Basically anyone who is not spiritually advanced enough has to go to some kind of "hell", which of course isn't actually hell in the sense of damnation but it's all unpleasant. Added to that, only if you achieve a high enough level of spirituality will you be safe from the lower level ghosts.
Any kind of ingratitude, sorrow, complaining, meanness, sloth, etc. to any degree becomes a recipe for losing the higher spiritual planes. Funny enough, they get into these whacky sorcerer-saint conflicts behind the scenes as the cause of every bad thing that unfolds on planet earth, and instill fear subtly about some conjectured world war 3... as if anyone can really read the future.
Really, how would anyone know Einstein didn't advance spiritually because he was too much in love with his intellect? Or a great Hindu saint destroyed the sorcerer who was behind Hitler.
LOL...
As far as the negativity = spiritual ruin... the fact is, while Liberation sounds right in the longterm, I don't think God is opposed to the younger souls in existence who come and go in this world, some get old some die way prematurely, the conditions of life are so vast and complicated. God didn't make humanity to send to Hell, nor does it seem reasonable to think we only get one lifetime, thereby the winners and losers of Heaven are distinguished. But I can't imagine when I observe other people, their trials and such, that just because they weren't yet ready or inclined to deep meditation, inner cultivation, higher truths, somehow they have to sit in anguish for 400 years until they come back as animals or ignorant people.
You know?
No, this group exhibits the classic signs of a cult. They put on a friendly mask, dish out interesting information, arrange a hierarchy of power/knowledge, and then instill fear subtly in guests using concepts related to death. It's especially peculiar, you're supposed to overcome the ego but you're also determined to make sure you're "higher" than at least most other people at death. Otherwise, all those negative ghosts will eat at your soul in one of the hells where you have to analyze your love for money. So your only hope for safety from lower level entities is through the group since they have special powers.
(Added, after writing I read your post Son Ponte)... very good point indeed.
I had read something similar about the Hindu version of a global calamity from some dude claiming God-realization... basically the hypersexualization of man caused AIDS, and sooner than later the materialistic nature of western society will cause billions to die.
World War 3 is not far-fetched by any measure. It could very easily happen. But it's not going to happen because someone hates the way certain people are living.
I think Lao Tzu said it right when he said, "Sages let fools be fools for another million years." something like that... If someone is so enlightened why can't they recognize that people do stupid things?
:-)
The SSRF is a cult. The SSRF tells people they were uniquely chosen by God to be a “seeker.” The SSRF raises the spiritual level of “seekers” when and if they go to the ashram in Goa and if they perform sea (Service to the Lord), by working for free for the SSRF. The leader Dr. Athavale, a hypnotherapist, has declared himself a Saint. He is also being investigated for murder and bombings. Psychotropic medication was seized from his office and former followers testified they were given “spiritual nectar” along with post hypnotic suggestions. These former followers believe the “nectar” was tainted with a drug to make the post hypnotic suggestion stick. The SSRF encourages “seekers” to attend multiple satsangs and to do other things as spiritual practice. These activities slowly brainwashes seekers to do whatever they are told. After 2 years a person is hooked. Stay away!
any new comments? WW3?
Namaste my dear friends,
You call it a Religion or Spirituality, in simple words is practicing purity of the mind.
The worlds super scientist and psychotherapist was Siddhartha Gautama the Buddha.
One can call one self anybody, a Hindu a Muslim, A christian, a Parsi, a Buddhist, and so on.
If one lives with a dirty mind he will suffer, if one purifies one's mind, one will be peaceful and happy.
The India's ancient proverb older than 10 thousands years old.
If you saw a thought you reap a deed
If you saw deed you reap a habit
If you saw a habit you reap a character
If you reap a character you reap your destiny
So you are the master of your destiny.
Nature or God or you call whatever you like, has given the human being the ultimate freedom to choose whatever he/she likes. You become what you think.
So the thought is a seed and one will get the fruit according to the seed you saw.
If you saw a seed of Neem you will not get Mango on it, even if you pray to god.
Common sense.
Human beings are social animals and so one needs to live a life of morality, practice samadhi(attention) and wisdom(knowing by self experience the truth of the impermanence, of the universe with the help of five senses, also called as Tatva Bodha or one's own common sense).
That life is a mirage, as human beings are made up of pure energy as the universe. And energy has no self. And is in flux. Like a flowing river.
So in short if I want to live in peace and be happy, I have to create peace and harmony within me and around me. This is the art of living and thus dying. Since this life is very short and not permanent. Life and death is a process, one has to experience and understand.
So in short living sanely and intelligently this very short life of ours peacefully,happily and in harmony with the nature is what that counts, for the benefit of many.
My loving kindness
May all beings be Happy... be Peaceful... Be liberated... Liberated... liberated...
Start your day with Love
Fill your day with Love
End your day with Love
This is the way to Peace
May there be peace,
May there be peace,
May there be peace every where.
Om Shanti... Shanti... Shanti...
There is vast element of truth in there findings but i disagree with some elements coz Jesus is the way and the truth and there is no way to the father but through him....i dont care what type of saint guru or ghost they contact for revalation but they are factual to sum extent..demons sometimes spill the beans of truth preparing you for a big lie...God bless
I'm a Christian. From the east coast of the U.S.Now my church is an Evangelical church. First of all I have to defend the Spiritual Science Research Foundation for having the (Balls)to speak their mind. I Do Not believe they are wrong. There is more in the Universe than Humans understand and that is a fact. Christians tend to enjoy living and thinking in the dark ages. They use cell phones and yet discredit Science at the same time. They are an amazingly close minded bunch.You gotta love them. They mean well. But being in plain continuous ignorance is not a blessed thing. The Bible is All Real. But How do you know for a fact that the Spiritual Science Research Foundation is not on to something that is real also. Stop attacking what you do not understand or care to look into. We are living in the 21st century not the 1st century.Thank you be blessed.
I'm a Christian. From the east coast of the U.S.Now my church is an Evangelical church. First of all I have to defend the Spiritual Science Research Foundation for having the (Balls)to speak their mind. I Do Not believe they are wrong. There is more in the Universe than Humans understand and that is a fact. Christians tend to enjoy living and thinking in the dark ages. They use cell phones and yet discredit Science at the same time. They are an amazingly close minded bunch.You gotta love them. They mean well. But being in plain continuous ignorance is not a blessed thing. The Bible is All Real. But How do you know for a fact that the Spiritual Science Research Foundation is not on to something that is real also. Stop attacking what you do not understand or care to look into. We are living in the 21st century not the 1st century.Thank you be blessed.
Sorry for the double comment repeat. Iclicked publish your comment twice by mistake.
Hello again. You know that feeling of tiredness you feel on Sunday when you have to go to Church?But when you find out it's Saturday the fatigue mysteriously vanishes? Those are evil spirits that do not want you to do spiritual practice. Because that connects you to Father God Blessed Be His Holy Name. I'm feeling those same feelings when I want to visit the SSRF's website. That means they are Good Holy people as well. they are just different from you. Please pray for me to be well and Free from oppression. Thank you.
Hi my name is Kamal and I've been a spiritualist or trying to be one for last 25-30years and I've never seen such a wonderful and easy to understand website. What a wonderful lot of people. You narrow minded Christians are full of rubbish. Keep your nose out of Hindu people's buisness.
This is for all of you,Mathew's account may be different because not all times all of Jesus' disciples must have been present, for instance, Thomas was not present when Jesus appeared to the rest,he even argued that Christ had not risen until he sees him personally.
Someone said the Bible doesn’t say to chant to get rid of evil spirits. Then what do exorcisms by priests consist of? Even a police officer in New York has accepted there are demons and some of the gruesome acts committed by people are incited by demons possessing the body. Look it up. The movie is Deliver us from Evil starring Eric Bana.
The reason SSRF gives information on how to do away with demons ghosts in Hindu rituals is because their experiences are based on that religion. Their experiments are based on knowledge given by the Vedas and ancient Hindu wisdom. Which are effective. They never ever claim other religions are false.
Buddhists have their way of dealing with demons possessions, ancestors who are causing trouble and so do Muslims.
But the common thing is the good forces are fighting the bad. If you experience the divine by spiritual practice in Hindu manner, you will experience the same uplifted blissful utterly peaceful loving feeling that being visited by an Mother Mary or Jesus during a period of deep meditation.
If you can sense a demon if your a Buddhist or Muslim, it will have the same horrid foul smell and give a feeling of dread that a Christian or Hindu person will sense if they encounter a demon.
I can vouch for SSRF and say that they are one of the best and most helpful organizations wHo will enlighten anyone who is confused, helpless, anguished with attacks from malevolent forces, black magic which is now an epidemic in all countries.
I believe their clairvoyants for the simple reason I have seen demonic forms and other black energy. I have gone through spiritual atttack and know that when one embraces the power of God, and don’t give me that crap about Christian, Hindu, Muslim and who is real, all the Divine Beings are real, and operate on the dynamic of pure love which emanates from Source/God/Om.
Karma is real. Reincarnation is real. I do not want to force these opinions on anyone. I hope everyone achieves liberation from endless cycles of rebirth. But if anyone is saying SSRF is a cult, dangerous etc etc. I say to everyone, that is a lie. Maybe it’s a misguided lie, maybe it’s done with intention of harming SSRF, I say, with full confidence, they are helping people. They are messengers of peace. Their goal is to help as many hurting souls as possible. I pray to Lord Shiva, I pray to Lord Buddha, I pray to Jesus. And I have been helped and protected by all of them. As will anyone who prays with faith.
Agreed
...You're all woo-woo lunatics.
Well dears, I truly believe in them. I used to think negative about them for couple years , now I just think why didn't I believed them in the first place. Attend their spiritual meetings all doubts will be Cleared. I attend in the evenings once a week in the convenience of my home and I have never met such loving, kind people in my whole life. You can go to thier ashram(hermitage) and you'll see all information has never been shared to humanity before. You can contact them and they will be happy to help. I was so foolish not to believe them. Please dont let this happen to you. Ww3 is just around the corner, they predicted about mass shooting and natural disasters way before it increased. Hope you will one day find calm n inner peace like me. I didn't had to change my religion, coz spirituality is beyond and the facts never change. Gratitude to God
Chanting the name of God and attend their spiritual meetings. Find on thier website "which name of God to chant" in the search bar. Time is very limited believe me. times...SSRF are absolutely right guys.If you think of God now, then God will save you during severe adverse Their YouTube channel has been updated too. I'm not forcing but afraid the time is really short. In 2020 India will have roots I read on their sister site. If that happens we have extremely less time less to survive the calamity. Thanks in advance. Gratitude and with love
Tick..tick...BOOM :-D
Well said!
If you have studied the whole site you would have known it is not so. Here is an excerpt from 1 article on FAQs.
The question goes: Is it beneficial to chant the Names of Saints?
Answer: Spiritual science advises chanting of the Name of God according to one’s religion of birth. One should not repeat (chant) the name of a Saint.
Saints at the spiritual level (70%) of Divine Energy (Shakti) are born to carry out a particular mission and for that they possess manifest energy. So, if their Names are chanted then the manifest energy could possibly cause distress to some. Contrary to this, since a Deity mostly has unmanifest energy, chanting its Name does not cause any distress. Besides a seeker does not want energy, they wants Bliss (Ānand) and Serenity (Shānti). [Saints of spiritual levels of 80% and 90% can impart spiritual experiences of Bliss and Serenity respectively].
Since the law of creation, sustenance and dissolution is applicable to Saints as well, their energy persists only for a limited period of a few hundred years. Thereafter, they are unable to respond to one’s call. As against this, Deities are eternally present from the time of creation of the universe till its dissolution.
According to Spiritual science, constructing places of worship of Saints is incorrect. Nowadays however, we have this happening quite often.
Don't be too wise nor too naive for the process... Balance your views even though the balance point is so delicate... Human are also spirits... It's a spirit world that seems physical through our perception of the body... Dimensions... What is 100% true considering perception all worlds are real whether you fit or you a misfit
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